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[B] Some Destructive False Principles and Calamities of Abdul Maalik Ar-Ramadaani-An ally of Brixton and Luton, and Al-Halabi (Al-Murji Al-Mubtadi)

بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ

[Abdul Maalik Ar-Ramadaani says that the affairs of Jarh Wat-Tadeel are based on Ijtihaad] [1]


Question to Al-Allaamah Rabee Bin Haadi Al-Madkhali (may Allaah preserve him)

Are the affairs of Jarh Wat-Tadeel based on Ijtihaad? And how do we refute the one who says, ‘’I am not obliged to (take/accept) the speech of such and such a Shaikh?!



A group amongst the schemers against the Salafi Methodology and those who wear a false garment of Salafiyyah seek to place in the affair of Jarh Wat-Tadeel (the false principle): ”We rectify but we do not disparage;” (and the false principle): ”We want a broad and extensive methodology that will accommodate all the Ummah”; (and the false principle): ‘’We rectify but we do not destroy;” Meaning: Neither evil nor bidah is repelled; rather all the Ummah are accommodated in a board and extensive methodology to the extent that even the Raafidah (shia) are accommodated.  So these people begin to make false accusations against the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel and against those (i.e. the scholars) who establish it.  Some of these false accusers have gone as far as saying that there is no proof in the Qur’aan and the Sunnah to establish the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel!

Indeed, the Qur’aan is filled with the proofs of Jarh Wat-Tadeel—the people of pharaoh have been refuted and disparaged; the people of Prophet Nooh have been refuted and disparaged; the people of Prophet Hud have been refuted and disparaged; the people of Prophet Saaleh have been refuted and disparaged; the Quraish have been refuted and disparaged and Abu Lahab has been refuted and disparaged.  The Sunnah and the methodology of the Salaf are filled with Jarh Wat-Tadeel and it is a weapon against the people of innovation.  These people promoting such false principles want to break this ‘Jarh Wat-Tadeel Weapon’ into pieces, and they want to deprive the Salafis of this ‘Jarh Wat-Tadeel Weapon’ which is traced back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam).

So a person comes along and wages war against the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel; then a second person comes along and wages war against the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel; then a third person comes along and wages war against the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel; then a fourth one comes along and wages war against the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel……..then a tenth person comes along and wages war against the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel and they are all followed by crowds!! Therefore be warned against these people, for they wear a false gown of Salafiyyah in order to split the Salafis through these false principles and precepts.

A person commits murder and was seen by two trustworthy witnesses; then these two witnesses are summoned in the presence of the ruler who applies the Islamic rulings; so what will he judge with?  He should judge by the law of Islam and if not then he has opposed the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah Allaah’s Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam).    Allaah (The Most High) said:

وَأَشۡہِدُواْ ذَوَىۡ عَدۡلٍ۬ مِّنكُمۡ

”And take for witness two just persons from among you (Muslims).” [65:2]

The evidence for giving witnesses and the evidences for Jarh Wat-Tadeel are one and the same thing.  As for the untrustworthy person, then his narration is not accepted. Likewise, the liar- the deceiver- whose speech cannot be determined for its correctness, then his testimony is not accepted. Neither his criticism nor commendation of a person is accepted.  However, if he is a scholar who is precise and skilful, and he says about a person: ”Such and such a person is a liar”; then it is obligatory upon the people to accept his speech.  The Salaf followed this methodology, (such as their saying): ”such and such is a liar”; ”such and such has a bad memory”; ”such and such is an innovator”; ”such and such is a murji”; ”such and such is a khaariji”; ”such and such is a mutazili” etc   These statements have been made by Imaam Ahmad, Imaam Ibn Ma’een, Imaam Ibn Al-Madeenee, Imaam Bukhaaree etc.  This the path followed by the Salaf; and why is that the case? That is because Allaah commanded us to accept the narration of the trustworthy narrators.  Allaah (The Most High) said:

يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن جَآءَكُمۡ فَاسِقُۢ بِنَبَإٍ۬ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓاْ

”O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it.” [49:6]

Clarification and verification is to be sought when a rebellious evil person narrates; the narration of a rebellious evil person is not declared a lie straight away because it may be correct; but it is not accepted until it is verified.

As for the narration of a trustworthy person–as long as he is trustworthy and precise in what he narrates from the Messenger of Allaah (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam), then it is obligatory to accept his narration.  The Books of the Sunnah are filled with the narrations of those truthful narrators—a truthful person reports from another truthful person with a chain of transmission going back to the Messenger of Allaah (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam). However, these people who are seeking to attack the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel with their false principles want to abolish the sound principles upon which our Religion is established.

Many of the Ahaadeeth of the Messenger of Allaah (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam), the transmissions from the companions (radiyallaahu-anhum) and the transmissions from the Imaams of the Sunnah were transmitted from one trustworthy person to another trustworthy person… and it obligatory to accept them, due to the saying of Allaah (The Most High): [وَأَشۡہِدُواْ ذَوَىۡ عَدۡلٍ۬ مِّنكُمۡ ]—”And take for witness two just persons from among you (Muslims).”

And with regards to transmission of information, then the information transmitted by one person is sufficient; because the Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) used to send one person to Chosroes (i.e. the Emperor of Persia) to call him to Islaam and establish the proofs against him.

And he (sallal-laahu-alayhi-sallam) sent one person to Caesar, King of Rome to call him to Islaam and establish the proofs against him.  The people used to enter Islaam through the message of this one trustworthy-truthful person sent by the Prophet (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam).  And if they rejected Islaam and refused to follow the Messenger of Allaah (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) based on the information transmitted by this one trustworthy-truthful person, he (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) prepared an army against them. The Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) prepared an army for the battle of Tabuk against the Romans based on the fact that they rejected the call to Islaam which was communicated to them by one person.

He (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) sent individuals to Bahrain, Oman and Yemen and their narrations were accepted; so how about in this present time of ours when there are ten or fifty Salafi (scholars) who are in agreement regarding a particular affair; however their narrations are rejected; and those who reject them, say: ‘’There has to be a consensus of all the scholars.’’  And from the false principles of these people is that they say: ‘’we neither accept criticism against a person nor a praise for him even if many of the contemporary scholars say that such a person is an innovator.’’ 

Therefore be warned against these people, because they make a claim to Salafiyyah, whilst seeking to destroy the Salafi Methodology—its principles and foundations.  How many false precepts do they have, such as their saying: ‘’I am not obliged to (take/accept) the speech of such and such a Shaikh?!’’  You find a scholar quoting and refuting the affairs of misguidance found in the Book of such and such a person, in such and such page; yet you find these people saying: ‘’I am not obliged to (take/accept) the speech of such and such a Shaikh?!’’

This statement of theirs is a principle by way of which they seek to shun and reject truth.  It is a false principle by way of which they seek to reject the sound principles of Jarh Wat-Tadeel.  Therefore, learn the sound principles of Jarh Wat-Tadeel and look to the methodology of the Salaf; and leave alone those who misguide. They bring turmoil upon the true religion of Allaah and upon the Methodology of the Salaf and its followers. [2]


[1] See page 26 in the Pdf on this link:  http://www.sahab.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=127155

[2] Source: Slightly Paraphrased from a lecture of the Shaikh delivered on Yawm Al-Khaamis 28 Shawaal 1431

محاضرة مشتركة بين الشيخ ربيع والشيخ علي بن ناصر الفقيهي حفظهما الله تعالى يوم الخميس 28 شوال 1431 هـ


Brixton and Luton -Defenders of a Murji Mubtadi (Al-Halabi) and An Ikhwaani Mubtadi (Al-Maribi)

In The Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful The Bestower of Mercy


Defenders of a Murji Mubtadi (Al-Halabi) and An Ikhwaani Mubtadi (Al-Maribi)

A Shared Manhaj between Masjid Al-Ghurabaa’s Admin (Luton) and Masjid Ibn Taymiyyah’s Admin (Brixton)


[الأرواح جنود مجندة ]

Souls are like recruited troops.

Narrated Aisha (radiyallaahu-anhaa): I heard the Prophet (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) saying, ‘’Souls are like recruited troops; those who are of like qualities are inclined to each other, but those who have dissimilar qualities differ.’’ [Saheeh Bukhaari Vol 4. Hadeeth Number 3336. Darusallam]

Al-Haafidh Ibn Hajar (rahimahullaah) stated one of the meanings of this hadeeth in Fat-hul Baari that Al-Khattaabi (rahimahullaah) said: This may indicate to mean similarity in good and evil, righteousness or corruption– the good one amongst the people  is inclined towards one similar to him, and the evil one is similarly inclined towards the one similar to him.  Souls have an affinity with others in accordance with the nature in which they were created, good or evil. They will agree if their natures are similar, otherwise they will be at loggerheads…  [See Fat-hul Baari for further details]

What brings Luton’s and Brixton’s Admins together?!

They are brought together by their defence of two Mubtadia Ali Halabi Al-Murji Al-Mubtadi and Abul Hasan Al-Maribi -Ikhwaani Mubtadi.  In 2003, Farasat [a close associate of Abdul Qaadir (Luton)] stated to Abu Haleemah Na’eem Bashir [Masjid Al-Furqaan Stoke-on-Trent (Masjid Salafi)]:

”Ok, you see we had the seminar in Luton (2003) … and Brixton contributed to the air, to the tickets of the sheikhs as well, so you know we are working together, they just sent us the money for the air tickets, they come up to Luton for the talks, we went down to Brixton, and this is the Shura, and I’ll give you another example were we are working closely together, December (2002) the Sheikhs came, Luton Shura wanted to have a private meeting with the 4 sheikhs, all about issues in Luton…

And the Brixton Shura wanted a private meeting with the Sheikhs about the issues in Brixton, small issues nothing major but after (word unclear) there was a Brixton Shura and Luton Shura, well so why don’t we hold a joint meeting so that shows the level of trust between us and them, coz we would not be talking about issue which are private to Luton in front of a shura who is against us, and likewise Brixton wouldn’t talk about issues which are private to them …in front of us, but what we did was, we said lets hold our Shura jointly, em so I believe there is a high level of trust. Abdul haqq baker he’s in Jeddah now… but he’s phoned me even from Jeddah on a number of occasions, he’s phoned Abdul Qadir, he phoned Abu Zur’a, you know as far as I am concerned the relationship between us is very very good.

About something else and I quickly asked about Abdul haqq and he goes its very very unlikely I mean Abdul Qadir and Abdul Haqq go back about 1990 so ehm and he knows him very well on this issue of the fitna of Abul Hasan al-Maribe what happened was he changed his position from being silent on it to criticizing Abul Hasan and then he came back to saying im not taking a position… [1] [End of quote]


Brixton’s defiance and obstinacy in defence of Al-Halabi is only a confirmation of their previous stances (i.e. regarding their stance towards the other Mubtadi Abul Hasan Al-Maribi).  Shaikhul Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullaah) said: ”And Imaan is known about a man, just as all the states of his heart are known by way of his (outward) allegiances, enmities, his rejoicing, anger, hunger, thirst, and other such affairs. For these matters have certain outward binding necessities (lawaazim dhaahirah) and the outward matters necessitate inward matters. And this is a matter known, the people know this concerning the one that they have experienced and tested (jarraboohu wamtahinoohu)… [minhaaj-as-sunnah 8/475] [Translation: Salafipublications.com]

Luton and Al-Maribi

Shaykh Rabee’ bin Haadee al-Madkhalee on the Defenders of Abul-Hasan al-Misree in Luton, England


Therefore, the Maraakiz of Salafiyyah should never turn away from the clear proofs established against the obstinate defenders of Al-Maribi and Al-Halabi, as Shaikh Ubaid Al-Jaabiri (may Allaah preserve him) says:

”The one who knows of a mistake and it is clear to him, then it is not permissible for him to blindly follow a scholar to whom an affair is hidden. And indeed you already heard yesterday that the scholars are not infallible in their Ijtihaadaat. Therefore, it is not permissible to adopt them (i.e. the mistakes of the scholars) as a methodology (to follow).” [2]

To be continued…….In-Shaa-Allaah



[1] http://www.salafitalk.net/st/printthread.cfm?Forum=21&Topic=2886

[2] http://salaficentre.com/2013/08/2-an-eye-opener-for-the-seeker-of-truth-alallaamah-ubaid-bin-abdillaah-al-jaabiri-answers/